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Fountain? Bridge? Nah -- A gondola!

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Fountain? Bridge? Nah -- A gondola!

Postby Sean on Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:31 am

This is regarding the recent desire to create a "landmark" in Hamilton. I know there was a discussion of a fountain in the bay, and I also noticed that the footbridge over the QEW got a lot of press.

I think we can do better... we are absolutely blessed by our natural surroundings here. The harbour, the escarpment, Dundas valley, etc... and I think that we need to really push the natural beauty to the forefront. We also would do well to start branding ourselves as a green, forward thinking city. I have an idea for a combined "landmark icon" that would serve double duty as a functional infrastructure feature: a gondola up the escarpment.

I envision a gondola that links upper james to st joes. There is a park at the top that could be utilized as part of the upper terminal. There is probably room for a transit turnaround there as well. At the bottom, there is a bit less space but you wouldn't need a turnaround for buses, they'd just have to stop there. There could be a shuttle that goes from st joes to hunter station to the waterfront.

The top terminal would also have a lookout tower that could be designed in an architecutally intersting way. I picture something that swoops out over the edge of the escarpment and kind of dangles a look-out pod over the edge. From there you have an observation deck that offers a fabulous 360-degree view of upper and lower Hamilton, and especially a view of the escarpment and the bay. The shape of this lookout tower (and possibly a gondola car) could be incorporated into city branding... I picture a logo that shows the water, the city, the escarpment and the gondola/lookout.

This would promote a "Green" image for the city. A "looking forward" image.

Additionally, this gondola would be an integral link in our transit system. In the far future, I picture light rail from mcmaster to eastgate as well as from the escarpment to the bay along james. Another line would run on upper james from the cliff to rymal. the gondola would link the two james rail lines, the key being that at each point, the trains run frequently (like a subway) every few minutes, so the travel time is great despite there being two "transfers". This solves the problem of getting rail up the escarpment. Some bus routes would still take the accesses up and down so that the gondola is not a transit bottleneck.

As an added bonus, the gondola could be designed to accommodate bicycles. Probably the car would be made big enough to just bring it along with you. This would help "flatten" the city, and would reduce the current divide between uppers and downers (particularly those who don't own cars).

Rates could be set up such that a ride up the gondola (and lookout access) is $4 or $5 for tourists. HSR transfers get you on the gondola for free, and residents who just need a lift up the mountain can do so for a very small fee. For example if you just needed to get up with your bike, you pay a buck for the one way trip. Occasional special events could dictate free gondola rides and lookout tower visits. Events like doors open, and things like the bike race we had a few years ago would be good candidates for opening it for free and helping "spread the word".

This piece of infrastructure would do duty as a tourism attraction, an "image" element (something recognizable to outsiders), a useful transit link, a viable public space, and even a piece of "urban art". I bet it could even be designed to be visible from the highways. Not sure how big it would have to be to bee recognizable from the QEW though ;-)

If we are going to go ahead and spend capital on something "flashy", it can't just be a distraction from the smokestacks. It has to speak of our city's new vision not only in appearance but -more importantly- in function. It has to demonstrate clearly how we feel about the future. A beautiful, unique, visible and highly functional point of interest that also does duty as a transit link would get the point across loud and clear.

What do you think?
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Postby Guest on Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:01 pm

I think that is a cool idea, BUT..

depending on the percieved "impact" by some hysterical environmentalsts, it may get stalled in red tape and EI studies.

Other than that it would defo put us on the map and make a real "connection" between upper and lower cities.

WEll Done! :D
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Gondola lift

Postby James on Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:09 pm

I think that the gondola lift is a great idea! What a great way to show off the escarpment, which happens to be a world-renowned protected eco-sphere.

As it happens though, I don't think that you could call the gondola lift itself a distinctive Hamilton landmark since they are a vehicle and not a fixture, also they are common enough in the form of ski-lifts and cable cars.

The lookout tower on the other hand is another matter, since it can be made unique to Hamilton. I would suggest something like a disk supported between a tripod, or possibly even quadrapole of girders. It might even be made to look like a gigantic 'H' which would be visible from the mountain. That would be left up to the architects of course. I understand though that there is a problem with the stability of the rocks at the edge of the escarpment.

My grandmother told me that there used to be a train which went up the side of the mountain, parallel to the Wentworth stairs. You could ride the train for a quarter, or a nickel. The train was taken out during the Great Depression in order to 'save money'. The concrete supports for this 'mountain car' still remain there to this day. This 'mountain car' could also be brought back, either as part of the LRT system or perhaps as the gondola.
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Postby Sean on Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:04 pm

Yes there were actually two incline railways, and plans for a third which never actually got built. THere are some great old postcards showing both of them here:

Wentworth incline:
http://www.hamiltonpostcards.com/pages/ ... rlwys.html

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James Street incline:
http://www.hamiltonpostcards.com/pages/ ... james.html

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Postby MsMe on Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:11 pm

Glad to see someone look at the post card site I posted. :)

Sure is some good pics on it from way back when. :)

I was looking at them again recently and found on the yacht club page the card second from the top of the page, I also have an orginal of. Mine is postmarked 1908.
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Postby andysha on Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:06 pm

I think something to show off the escarpment that had practical value as well would be a great idea. Funicular railways and Gondolas have some popularity as urban transport in Europe as well as being Tourist Attractions.

As a visitor to Hamilton for 2 weeks in December, I completely fell in love with the city and am still staggered at how an area with so much history and so much potential has been allowed to languish so sadly. Hopefully things are on the up...
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